tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post7533297308240420885..comments2024-03-28T10:19:52.584-05:00Comments on Jackson Jambalaya: Sid Salter: Sports Betting Will Affect State Revenue More Than Proposed LotteryKingfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-73339424156801087682018-05-18T16:00:12.018-05:002018-05-18T16:00:12.018-05:00Meanwhile; other social media venues are today hig...Meanwhile; other social media venues are today highlighting the fact that Hyde-Smith and Wicker both voted against a balanced budget and the bill sponsored by Rand Paul which was said to be a conservative, republican measure. There's no place on this blog to point that out so maybe Kingfish will start a new thread about our new congressperson and her votes. I realize, though, that the paid advertisements rule as do Bryant's incessant promotions of the rodeo-gal, so this will get no coverage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-80963398174461302882018-05-18T14:54:12.858-05:002018-05-18T14:54:12.858-05:00The casinos do fund schools. Ever wonder why Harr...The casinos do fund schools. Ever wonder why Harrison and Hancock have some of the nicest schools outside of Madison County? 4% goes to local, and a portion is earmarked for schools. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-46438568452719392332018-05-18T13:32:17.099-05:002018-05-18T13:32:17.099-05:00Or "the Internet is outraged at"Or "the Internet is outraged at"Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-62731989981053410842018-05-18T13:26:28.187-05:002018-05-18T13:26:28.187-05:00"....casinos are being touted...."
Simi..."....casinos are being touted...."<br /><br />Similar to 'sources say' and 'according to reports'. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-77585787057002254622018-05-18T11:02:16.000-05:002018-05-18T11:02:16.000-05:00moving goal posts
"I know for sure nobody in...moving goal posts<br /><br />"<i>I know for sure nobody in government every proposed that legalized gaming would fund education.</i>"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-58211366134229667282018-05-18T10:49:18.044-05:002018-05-18T10:49:18.044-05:008:37 - Nothing you posted quotes any legislative c...8:37 - Nothing you posted quotes any legislative committee, any governor, any House Speaker, any Senate leader or any state government official of any type. What you've provided is the drivel dreamed up by the Orley Hoods, Sid Salters, Bill Minors and Charlie Mitchells of the day - All talking out their ass and none having any authority or knowledge to do so. <br /><br />Please come back when you can cite a reference from a committee, bill or floor discussion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-21749129348702076852018-05-18T08:37:09.038-05:002018-05-18T08:37:09.038-05:00all you guys have to do is google, one of the firs...all you guys have to do is google, one of the first 2 or 3 hits on google:<br />https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/1994/03/16/25bet.h13.html<br /><br />Published Online: March 16, 1994<br />States Bet on Riverboat Casinos for New Revenue<br /><br />Thanks to the public's seemingly unquenchable thirst for waterborne games of chance, Mississippi educators these days are savoring a heady brew of teacher-pay raises, health benefits for all school employees, air conditioners in every classroom, new textbooks, and bus and building improvements.<br /><br /> Current plans would raise education spending by nearly $270 million in a state where school funding has held steady at about $900 million for several years. The funding is expected to buy a new assessment system, administrator- and teacher-training programs, and a tech-prep program linking high schools and community colleges.<br /><br />Much of state government's prosperity can be traced to the growth and popularity of its newest industry: riverboat gambling.<br /><br /> The latest chapter in states' interest in sanctioned gaming as an alternative to general taxes, riverboat casinos are increasingly appearing in the South and Midwest. Like the state lotteries that preceded them, <b>the casinos are being touted as a way to help fund schools</b>.<br /><br />Mississippi has made the most of the trend, imposing some of the lowest taxes on boat operators and offering them the greatest opportunity. Since a casino opened on the Gulf of Mexico in Biloxi in 1992, 20 casinos have opened on the Gulf or the Mississippi River. Forty-eight more licenses are pending.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-50661216681662583212018-05-18T07:43:42.711-05:002018-05-18T07:43:42.711-05:00Well said, 936. The fact that 847 'lived ot&#...Well said, 936. The fact that 847 'lived ot' is all he has to back up his claim. Well, 1047, I lived it to. I was in the conversations and the fight. I am not, however, as you try to claim, a democrat legislator from the time. In fact, about as far from it as is possible.<br /><br />Having been in the fight, as well as 'having lived it' I will bet the ranch, inside a legal casino of course, that you cannot produce anything factual from the time to support your claim. And your attempt to tie it to Mabus lottery push is not even related. (Mabus' loss was much more tied to his closure of the charity hospitals and his budget problems than his support of a lottery, but as I said chasing that rabbit is not related to this argument.)<br /><br />Keep on believing yourself, because I'm sure it makes you feel good. But understand that people who attempt to rewrite history never go down in history as a learned person. You are headed down tgat same lonesome path.8:20noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-87211865102369992132018-05-18T07:24:17.976-05:002018-05-18T07:24:17.976-05:00I'd like to get the previous two commenters in...I'd like to get the previous two commenters in a room and sell tickets to the event. That could easily fund education!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-84998605991642380192018-05-18T06:27:56.928-05:002018-05-18T06:27:56.928-05:0011:10 - Either bring forward your evidence or shut...11:10 - Either bring forward your evidence or shut your fabricating yapper! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-62165275387647361142018-05-17T23:10:51.442-05:002018-05-17T23:10:51.442-05:00Keep lying and misrepresenting. Reread what I said...Keep lying and misrepresenting. Reread what I said about Mabus<br /><br />I gave you citations and stated it was in the Clarion Ledger. You know, before the internet was used for everything. <br /><br />You keep waffling around the facts, and I can’t figure why it means so much to flat out lie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-79496514788166228192018-05-17T21:36:02.877-05:002018-05-17T21:36:02.877-05:0010:47 - With due respect to your unsubstantiated b...10:47 - With due respect to your unsubstantiated bloviation, there is nothing on record supporting your contention that anybody in the process EVER said gaming proceeds would prop up or provide for funding education in Mississippi. No bill, no pre-file, nothing in any committee report, no speech on the floor and nobody quoted in a newspaper ever said any such thing.<br /><br />You claim 'legislators purported it'. <br /><br />You say 'gaming was sold as a means of funding education'. <br /><br />You claim the only citation you need is 'you lived it'. <br /><br />You say Ray Mabus pushed it to fund education and there was much debate about it. <br /><br />Yet you have NOTHING....ZERO, ZIP, NADA to back you up other than it's what you believe. Let us know when you find an 'internet savvy youngun' who can root out something to back up your claims.<br /><br />Oh...WAIT. You heard it at Crechale's one night and again twice at Dennery's. Gotcha. Gaming Promises To Fund Education In Mississippi...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-63901532801547397062018-05-17T10:47:52.423-05:002018-05-17T10:47:52.423-05:008:20am
You are being very disingenuous. You must...8:20am<br /><br />You are being very disingenuous. You must be one of those Democrat Legislators from the 90s.<br /><br />Obfuscate all you want, but the "Mississippi Miracle" would not have happened had legislators not purported that Casinos would help fund education.<br /><br />In fact, in the mid 90's, those same legislators used increasing teacher salaries as a correlation as to why the gaming act should not be repealed.<br /><br />So, yes, gaming was "sold to the public" as a means to fund education. You can argue semantics all you want in your effort to disguise facts, but the fact remains that is what pushed it through.<br /><br />My citation? Me. I lived it. I'm sure some internet savvy young-un can pull of Clarion Ledger archives chocked full of the promises by said legislators but it remains:<br /><br />that Ray Mabus pushed to have the MS Constitution revised to allow for a lottery to fund education. That cost him an election, but opened the door for the lottery vs dockside gaming debate. Dockside gambling didn't require an amendment, but both the lottery and dockside gambling were being pushed with education funding as a primary component. The debate over earmarking would never had occurred if it wasn't being pushed to fund education, and there was much debate about earmarking for education.<br /><br />So, lie again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-76043430169378789902018-05-17T10:37:14.510-05:002018-05-17T10:37:14.510-05:00The Southern Baptist Convention will vehemently op...The Southern Baptist Convention will vehemently oppose the expansion of gaming in Mississippi. No good can become of this, only continued exploitation and a downward spiral of the poorest population in our state. Sports betting may bring tourists, but surely a lot of undesirables. If history tells us anything, is that education and the quality of life won’t be improved by gimmicks such as sports betting, expansion of legal liquor and the gross inflammation of immorality across the state. How can anyone of good conscience support such action. Will the expansion of gambling make our state better? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-72356885583030471522018-05-17T09:51:17.927-05:002018-05-17T09:51:17.927-05:008:59 I assume you are being sarcastic. How can s...8:59 I assume you are being sarcastic. How can sports betting IN our casinos not enhance their attractiveness, hence helping tourism? If 9:32's point were valid, there would be no casinos at all since any gambler can gamble in a back alley, at his weekly poker game, at the truck stop, or by calling his bookie. Believe it or not there are people who will view this as a recreational activity and will dine, drink, and generally spend money at the casino where they bet. That casino may be in Mississippi. Tourism? Yup! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-35408240047709099792018-05-17T08:59:57.838-05:002018-05-17T08:59:57.838-05:00Great question, 9:32. What a moronic assertion tha...Great question, 9:32. What a moronic assertion that sports betting will be good for tourism. But who are the bigger morons, our politicians or us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-21457075748691200912018-05-17T08:20:59.907-05:002018-05-17T08:20:59.907-05:008:02 I will tell you the point I was making, since...8:02 I will tell you the point I was making, since you have no idea. For years I hear people touting, as of they actually know what they are talking about, that casino gaming was sold to the public, or to the legislature on the basis of either: (1) the money derived would be earmarked for education, or (2) the money derived would solve education funding. Neither is true.<br /><br />Yes, I'm sure some legislators thought the funding would go to education; others though assumed it would solve corrections needs. Still others looked at it as a way to cover increasing Medicaid costs.<br /><br />But despite the many folks who claim gaming was authorized on the backs of education funding are no more correct than the folks who claim to having seen the Loch Ness Monster. It's just frankly not true.<br /><br />So you pull out an article written by someone that was not involved in the debate that studies the results after the fact. Nice try but that does not change the fact that he provides nothing to show that the policy change was made 'for the kids' as they say.<br /><br />My only reason for caring, which you ask, is because I get tired of hearing so called experts expound on crap that their only knowledge appears to come from stories they heard at their grandparents knee. Or just enjoy attempting to rewrite history attempting to push a political agenda.4:07noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-28482326900486793452018-05-17T08:12:04.509-05:002018-05-17T08:12:04.509-05:00Early in Salter's article he mentions the poss...Early in Salter's article he mentions the possibility of a special legislative session. How in the world would the State's Governor find time to schedule or participate in the run-up to a special session? If you follow him on Facebook, and otherwise, you know he's occupied full time promoting Hyde-Smith and HIMSELF. <br /><br />"I appeared with him", "Here I am with...", I'm proud to serve on...", "Deborah and I recently traveled to...", "Here I am sitting beside...", "We just returned from...", "I'm honored to have been appointed to...", "Here I am in a motorcycle jacket honoring...", "Proud to be a friend of...", "Here I am sticking a silver shovel in the ground at...", "Look for me soon on a Harley down at the Harley Davidson shop in South Jackson". <br /><br />Leaves no time for governance. Lame-Duck Redefined..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-71032036719727105962018-05-17T08:02:38.554-05:002018-05-17T08:02:38.554-05:004:07am
I have no idea what point you are attempti...4:07am<br /><br />I have no idea what point you are attempting to make, but most assuredly, when casinos were debated, funding education was used as their major selling point. <br /><br />It's kind of weird for you to attempt to state otherwise. So much so, that I figure you have some sort of technicality you intend to hang your hat on in order for you to feel like you won an argument, versus simply being accurate. But you will still be wrong there.<br /><br />The legislature did not "earmark" gaming taxes for education. But many Democratic legislators, most assuredly, sold casinos as a way to fully fund education.<br /><br />any way:<br /><br />STANLEY, RODNEY E., et al. “THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF CASINO GAMING ON STATE AND LOCAL EDUCATION POLICY IN MISSISSIPPI.” <br /><br />NELSON, MICHAEL, et al. “MISSISSIPPI: The Politics of Casino Gambling.” Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-6734046287640618232018-05-17T04:07:37.264-05:002018-05-17T04:07:37.264-05:00Wrong, 8:27. Nobody in government or during the le...Wrong, 8:27. Nobody in government or during the legislative process ever claimed 'gaming' would fund education in Mississippi. If you believe otherwise, prove it. Next you'll claim that 'tax free holidays' are a way to pave streets. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-56249042445829687482018-05-16T20:27:18.305-05:002018-05-16T20:27:18.305-05:00actually, you don't know for sureactually, you don't know for sureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-665888079297054582018-05-16T18:12:04.706-05:002018-05-16T18:12:04.706-05:004:54 - I'll take your bet, since this column i...4:54 - I'll take your bet, since this column is about betting. Tell us when it was raised to 6%. And when was it raised to 7%. And when was it said that it would be reduced to 6%. <br /><br />Also, what do you base your comment on that the tax was to 'fully fund education'? Your memory? We'll check out how good your memory is when you respond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-54553660017958443132018-05-16T18:08:34.033-05:002018-05-16T18:08:34.033-05:00I know for sure nobody in government every propose...I know for sure nobody in government every proposed that legalized gaming would fund education. Not sure about tax increases being spent on education, but I also doubt that was ever the basis for a tax increase. Of course a lot of you goobs have vivid imaginations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-57757009619592900992018-05-16T16:54:25.129-05:002018-05-16T16:54:25.129-05:00I remember when the sales tax was raised from 5% t...I remember when the sales tax was raised from 5% to 6%....to fully fund edumacation. <br />Then the sales tax was raised from 6% to 7%......until edumacation was fully funded, then the sales tax was to revert to 6%......this did not happen.<br /><br />No matter how much $$$ government or edumacation has it will never be enough and both will finds ways to waste what they have....and more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-32867973960170593312018-05-16T14:46:02.415-05:002018-05-16T14:46:02.415-05:00We really need people listening to the Love Child....We really need people listening to the Love Child.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com