tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post708655148405261892..comments2024-03-28T15:57:48.782-05:00Comments on Jackson Jambalaya: Bill Crawford: More federal overeachKingfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-86494732687628560992016-09-13T18:32:32.096-05:002016-09-13T18:32:32.096-05:005:31 - I really hate to say this, but, please pay ...5:31 - I really hate to say this, but, please pay attention. I am NOT the one who claimed this is over reach. I have maintained from the get go that monitoring, audit and followup are NOT over reach and are essential. Has nothing to do with documents. The whole point of this thread is to accuse the feds of sticking their noses where they don't belong. I've advocated that audit is essential to a grant program. I don't know what else to say that will help you understand that position. Exasperated Tuit..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-62281854887823480482016-09-13T17:31:05.607-05:002016-09-13T17:31:05.607-05:00Fine 8:27 am .Then specifically describe why this ...Fine 8:27 am .Then specifically describe why this is over reach and not oversight. I don't have all the documents,do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-13357267913275203232016-09-13T08:27:24.422-05:002016-09-13T08:27:24.422-05:007:14 - You are assuming that we disagree. I'm ...7:14 - You are assuming that we disagree. I'm not sure we do. I have a full understanding of the grant process. That includes an understanding of the application process, the awards process and follow-up and review by the grantor. You seem to be arguing with an invisible entity - one who has not surfaced here. <br /><br />I also understand (and you do too) that grants not spent according to application or that are not judged to be successful will likely not be rewarded with a future grant. And that can only be determined by review, audit and follow-up by either the grantor or its third party reviewer. <br /><br />There's a wide difference between (1) oversight/audit and (2) federal encroachment/overstep and intervention. I assumed the latter to be the point of the whole conversation here. Pencil Tuitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-12254645734431536942016-09-13T07:14:57.245-05:002016-09-13T07:14:57.245-05:006:31 am Then you need to get out a dictionary. You...6:31 am Then you need to get out a dictionary. You also need to read the definition of a grant.<br /> Conditions must be met when you apply for a grant and if you get a grant, you must agree to the grantor's requirements and also spend the money or use the grant as you described you would do in your application. <br />There is a difference between a grant and a donation.<br />Also, grants are not made in perpetuity . You have to meet the qualifications specified in the grant and meet those qualifications to be eligible to continue receiving.<br />If you want total control, raise the funds yourself and get donations.<br />I would also suggest to you that those who do grant oversight don't want to look for or find problems. They would rather point to success. If their grant program isn't successful, it's not likely to be refunded and they'll be out of a job.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-90167832816533379442016-09-13T06:31:29.520-05:002016-09-13T06:31:29.520-05:00I only made reference to the word 'interventio...I only made reference to the word 'intervention' because it had been used several times in a pejorative sense to describe the feds taking a look at how funds were being spent. <br /><br />The suggestion is made above that when the feds hand out grants, they should have no continuing interest in how those public monies are spent. That ain't so. Sorry if you don't like my reference to the word you people are using. <br /><br />You need not be 'left wondering' how I define intervention. Look it up. But, if it will help you, here's my definition as relates to grants and other hand-outs: To intercede with a heavy hand, meddle with inappropriately, look at closely with a microscope, overly analyze, anally audit, get in the way of, take control of. Put A Pencil Tuit 2..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-45189849169332676922016-09-12T08:58:09.229-05:002016-09-12T08:58:09.229-05:00I don't know much or understand what I have r...I don't know much or understand what I have read on the Cleveland school district so I'll let theta go, I'll probably read Kingfish's post to get the real deal.<br /><br />If I have properly read the quotes provided by Crawford above, it appears the Fed say MS is spending a lower PROPORTION of its funds on the target group than other states. No specific funding numbers are set or proposed. Also,no mention of equal spending either. <br /><br />From previous articles I have read the Feds say that the continued cuts in mental health programs is also legally unacceptable. From my point of view it is morally wrong. <br /><br />In my opinion these low finding levels and constant cuts is puzzling in a state like Mississippi where the vast majority of citizens are either Christians or other spiritually individuals.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00303329830190586644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-46944506988929182512016-09-12T08:55:45.102-05:002016-09-12T08:55:45.102-05:00P.S. It wasn't a Democratically controlled Con...P.S. It wasn't a Democratically controlled Congress and administration that allowed churches to go into businesses for profit that are also tax exempt.<br /><br />Y'all really need to realize that looking through a partisan prism is skewing your ability to objectively prioritize information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-28551503512286421202016-09-12T08:51:01.937-05:002016-09-12T08:51:01.937-05:00Thank you 7:53 am, I am 7:06 am and that too was m...Thank you 7:53 am, I am 7:06 am and that too was my reaction. I was left wondering how 11:21 am defines the word " intervention".<br /><br />I do understand how grants and gifting programs work. Spending reports are generated that are available for review and audit. And, no intervention is needed unless monies were not properly spent. <br /><br />I would however suggest to both of you that churches of any kind, including conservative mega churches lose their tax exempt status. I would also suggest you remember that there was a Democratic organization that supposedly registered voters that did.<br /><br />I would also suggest that both of you research " proprietary" exemptions. Churches and non-profits aren't the only entities that avoid oversight. What can be audited matters. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-79087160293651012922016-09-12T07:53:24.239-05:002016-09-12T07:53:24.239-05:0011:21 It appears you agree with 7:06, but can'...11:21 It appears you agree with 7:06, but can't get over use of the word "intervention". Your second point is spot on and should also be applied to non-profits, particularly churches, who engage in partisan political activity. Have any African American or Unitarian Universalist churches ever lost their tax exempt status? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-67478937444996815712016-09-11T11:21:50.065-05:002016-09-11T11:21:50.065-05:007:06 - I understand that some people like you only...7:06 - I understand that some people like you only have surface knowledge of how grant and gifting programs work, but, please consider that every federal agency that disperses this sort of funding has the right and obligation to audit the expenditure of the funds. We deserve no less. That is NOT intervention. <br /><br />However, when funds go to minority organizations and democrat run cities, too often there is no audit oversight. Put A Pencil Tuitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-17166371618345266772016-09-11T07:06:04.673-05:002016-09-11T07:06:04.673-05:00If you take federal dollars, the feds get a say in...If you take federal dollars, the feds get a say in whether or not you are spending those dollars effectively.<br />We may argue about what is or isn't the most effective use, but if we do, we need to be able to back that up with facts and figures.<br />I don't object to oversight in how my tax dollars are spent. And, after the meat packing plant and other fiascos that have led MS to be designated as the "most corrupt" State in the Union, I would suggest it's up to us to change that so that federal intervention isn't necessary!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-81510928090669119642016-09-10T11:33:17.606-05:002016-09-10T11:33:17.606-05:00"Instead it the ruling) argues that since the..."Instead it the ruling) argues that since the state provides a lower proportion of funding to community-based care than other states, it is discriminating against the mentally ill."<br /><br />Another example of inappropriate and meaningless 'averaging'. Each citizen should have the same income, housing and transportation. Each demographic group should live among all other demographic groups in equal facilities with the same rent or payment. Students should paddled in direct parity and proportion to the number of paddlings administered to every other demographic group. Employers must have equal numbers of men, women, disabled, age groups and religious groups. Each state should mimic each of the other states in services, road conditions, availability of the arts and grocery store distance from citizens, including mental health services. The service levels available in Oregon and Massachusetts must also be available equally in Mississippi and Utah. All Federal Judges Must Be Equally Liberalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-65306671664014130922016-09-10T09:48:51.245-05:002016-09-10T09:48:51.245-05:00Every state has similar situations like Cleveland ...Every state has similar situations like Cleveland and with mental health care. Mississippi is just an easier target because of its past. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com