tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post5598665352094625867..comments2024-03-29T06:40:35.298-05:00Comments on Jackson Jambalaya: Equal Time: Do Masks Really Work? Kingfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-81113814263207767742020-05-29T15:58:01.199-05:002020-05-29T15:58:01.199-05:00Actually we know that a virus travels up to 6ft in...Actually we know that a virus travels up to 6ft in winter time and that distance actually falls to about 2ft during the summer time. <br /><br />There's a reason Winter is flu and cold season and why Summer is not.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-59078954805017555422020-05-28T21:31:21.369-05:002020-05-28T21:31:21.369-05:00"The problem is that with COVID-19 you have a..."The problem is that with COVID-19 you have an 85% chance of being able to spread the virus without knowing you are sick. Better than half the infected people never have symptoms severe enough to indicate a COVID infection"<br /><br />And of those who do... the vast majority are elderly, or have infirmities, or both.<br /><br />It's almost as if some Communist government realized that decades upon decades of a "One Child" policy had created an massive proportion of elderly citizens that consume an unacceptable level of resources from the smaller working population. <br /><br />Could it be that a highly infectious virus that targets the elderly and infirm might 'accidentally' escape the Institute of Virulogy in Wuhan, that would leave the valuable working population relatively unscathed?<br /><br />Naw! Impossible.<br /><br />History has shown communist governments to be honest, caring, and valuing all human life.<br /><br />My tinfoil hat must be askew.<br /><br />Carry on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-90553211125921082922020-05-28T18:23:52.781-05:002020-05-28T18:23:52.781-05:00@5:08, 2:21PM responding. If you mean the official...@5:08, 2:21PM responding. If you mean the official CDC "guidance," I'd call it "lacking"...or perhaps "covfefe." <br /><br />If you mean a particular opinion, especially private ones, by a particular person at the CDC, based on those I've heard or read it would range from "dead wrong" to "totally correct." But that said it's a government agency with all the baggage that entails so that's generally true about every situation in which such agencies are involved. And I don't think you'd find that is a unique POV...assuming you don't already know that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-37943416929900154092020-05-28T18:05:42.317-05:002020-05-28T18:05:42.317-05:002:26 asked 12:21 to provide some evidence that mas...2:26 asked 12:21 to provide some evidence that masks have an effect on virus transmission. I'm not 12:21, but if I may give it a shot:<br /><br />1. I think all sensible people, doctor or otherwise, can all agree that this virus is transmitted primarily but not exclusively by exhalation shedding and contracted by inhalation as the primary but not the only route of infection.<br /><br />2. We know the size of the virus.<br /><br />For those that can agree with these basically undisputed points, get something about the size of a golf ball or a quarter and a DVD or a .5 liter water or soda bottle. Now, put the golf ball or quarter through the hole in the DVD or into the opening of the bottle. Can't do it? Of course not, because the ball or coin is larger than the opening. Since a N95 respirator is specifically designed so that its "openings" are too small for something the size of this virus to go through, it cannot do so. Therefore, if there is a N95 between your mouth and nose and this virus, it cannot get from the outside of the N95 to your respiratory system. So, I would submit that reasonable people can agree that a N95 will prevent the passage of viruses too large to go through and if it is properly fitted to the face, viruses cannot "go around."<br /><br />As to "masks," a visualization isn't so straight-forward because of the myriad "masks" out there and the wide size range of the "openings." But here's something to consider. Imagine a coffee filter - the large grounds and nearly all of the "dust" remain in the filter, but the water extracts various molecules and chemicals, which drain into the carafe. So if the "openings" in the material of the mask are, like the N95, smaller than the virus, it cannot pass. But even if the "openings" are slightly larger than the virus, it can still help. Imagine a basketball and hoop. The ball can pass through but if the ball hits the rim it often bounces away. Yes, this is a less-than-perfect system to _prevent_ virus transmission, but if the hoop were a mile across (your mouth) something as relatively tiny to it as a basketball (the virus) would make it through every time with absolutely nothing to stop it. Now imagine a million golf balls hit at a chain link fence. Yes, some number will go through, but a lot will hit the fence and not make it. With viruses, the number that make it through does matter. The fewer that make it, the less chance of infection as well as the less severe an infection will likely be. <br /><br />But wait, there's more! The respiratory droplets that serve as carriers of the virus from the infected person to others are much larger than the virus itself, so if you can "catch" the droplets, you stop them from entering the airways of others. For that, imagine a molded jello with fruit cocktail in it. Even if you turn it out of the mold onto a rack with a mesh size that the fruit cocktail could pass through if weren't trapped in the jello, the jello prevents it from doing so unless you force it through the mesh.<br /><br />Admittedly, these aren't completely perfect examples and there are other factors to consider, but they are accurate enough for the average person to understand the broad concept of how and why N95s and masks can prevent or at least mitigate transmission of this virus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-17434341796109076172020-05-28T17:58:19.647-05:002020-05-28T17:58:19.647-05:00The argument for masks is not that it protects the...The argument for masks is not that it protects the wearer. It protects other people if you have COVID and are an asymptomatic carrier. The doctor's comments regarding minutes-long conversations does not apply to people passing by each other in aisles in the grocery store or on the sidewalk. Simply, he says nothing that negates the near-unanimous message from the medical community that wearing a mask during these times helps to protects others from unnecessary risks. <br /><br />That being said, here's a pros and cons list to wearing a mask:<br /><br />Pro: you protect others from getting sick (potentially the sickest they've ever been) and/or dying; it entails no orders from any government restricting your movement; it costs very little money to get one and no money to wear; it takes virtually no time to put on. <br /><br />Con: you might feel silly wearing it. <br /><br />Yep -- given the balance of interests there, I will assume you are selfish and will treat you as if you "have a disease" as the doctor put it on TV. No apologies. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-76492574012046304812020-05-28T17:28:56.196-05:002020-05-28T17:28:56.196-05:00Was there a poll taken to determine the number of ...Was there a poll taken to determine the number of scientists in each group? Is that how this works now? Or as one poster called it a "consensus", following along the lines of global warming or climate change whichever wordplay that they choose to use. From where I sit the left-leaning politicians and the mainstream news media, which appear to be one and the same, determined early on to make this more than it was. Was it a problem? Yes, but not to the level it was hyped. Every molehill becomes a mountain with enough dirt placed on it.Jonas Salknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-65997480560365579242020-05-28T17:08:33.600-05:002020-05-28T17:08:33.600-05:00@2:21 p.m. - What type of opinion do you call that...@2:21 p.m. - What type of opinion do you call that of the CDC's on masks in March?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-3962164205841831642020-05-28T14:26:20.029-05:002020-05-28T14:26:20.029-05:0012:21 - correlation is not causation, can you prov...12:21 - correlation is not causation, can you prove with scientific certainty that other variables are not at play?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-37416346997340717592020-05-28T13:28:58.819-05:002020-05-28T13:28:58.819-05:00Well, click the link and read the full article I p...Well, click the link and read the full article I posted. She makes a credible case for wearing masks as well. Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-73247614867235792082020-05-28T13:25:09.180-05:002020-05-28T13:25:09.180-05:00Thank you at 11:55. That link is very informative....Thank you at 11:55. That link is very informative. My question would be: if this was known at the first of April why was the silly use of a mask push, even by some now? No, I am not questioning the validity of the article, but I do question the narrative forced down the throats of the American people. That narrative being if a mask is not worn in public the non-wearer is to be anathema, excommunicated from the human race. All this narrative has accomplished is the revealing of the Karens among us. Brother, there are many. You have to look no further than this comment section to see the proof of this. Face the facts, we live in a world filled with risk. Jonas Salknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-75073870438543807342020-05-28T12:34:43.909-05:002020-05-28T12:34:43.909-05:00Nearly everything related to PPE use and efficacy,...Nearly everything related to PPE use and efficacy, virus transmissibility and contagion, and symptoms has changed (and continues to change) since this whole rodeo started. <br /><br />I honestly don't think anyone in a leadership role has enough information to drive informed, smart decisions for responding agencies or to provide advice for the general public. <br /><br />If you are sick or in a high-risk group, stay home, if you are healthy, take appropriate precautions and go on with your life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-40593682951123673612020-05-28T12:31:10.399-05:002020-05-28T12:31:10.399-05:00No 11:45am....it is killing the weak. Intelligenc...No 11:45am....it is killing the weak. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-73248294294861601512020-05-28T12:21:16.612-05:002020-05-28T12:21:16.612-05:00if we look to countries that have significantly re...if we look to countries that have significantly reduced their case rate--theres a common theme. mask wearing. it helps reduce the spread by people who don't know they have it..and all evidence is now saying there's a lot more people who have/had it and had no symptoms whatsoever. So, science shows that wearing a mask reduces your chance of spreading it. You may have it and never know you did but you could give it to someone who ends up in the hospital. Pray about that one..<br /><br />In January, we knew almost nothing about this. Thanks to ongoing research, we know a lot more about it and how to help those have a chance if they have to go to the hospital. Knowledge and research lead to change. We are researching Covid-19. Official medical and professional opinions WILL CHANGE as a result and it has nothing to do with politics.<br /><br />Covid 19 does not care one bit if you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Communist, Christian, Buddhist, or Agnostic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-49771356686755611042020-05-28T11:55:53.774-05:002020-05-28T11:55:53.774-05:00"We know that wearing a mask outside health c..."We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?fbclid=IwAR1EoJkVn0xxmfBb6RNhasEb2XXM6E2Lr-p7YOMrvMFl9iMBwKPQLl96lIoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-297447901349123652020-05-28T11:45:32.985-05:002020-05-28T11:45:32.985-05:00Maybe God created Covid-19 to rid us of the selfis...Maybe God created Covid-19 to rid us of the selfish and the stupid? Unfortunately there will be collateral damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-77190247483076830872020-05-28T11:18:01.153-05:002020-05-28T11:18:01.153-05:0010:39 The problem is that with COVID-19 you have a...10:39 The problem is that with COVID-19 you have an 85% chance of being able to spread the virus without knowing you are sick. Better than half the infected people never have symptoms severe enough to indicate a COVID infection and even those that do typically don't experience them until two or three days after becoming infectious.<br /><br />You make the absolute, unequivocal statement that you are healthy when the reality is you cannot say so with certainty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-43607149134496522552020-05-28T10:52:14.618-05:002020-05-28T10:52:14.618-05:00Funny that doctors have been recommending vulnerab...Funny that doctors have been recommending vulnerable or immune compromised individuals wear a mask for years, and now, it’s a political<br />Issue that asks everyone from celebrity athletes to dumb politicians to weigh in.<br /><br />Wear a mask. It’s not going to hurt you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-82648052392533932802020-05-28T10:49:46.624-05:002020-05-28T10:49:46.624-05:00KF, there are ways to exercise without going to a ...KF, there are ways to exercise without going to a gym. If the comments here reflect the views of most Mississippians, there will be a surge of new cases and deaths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-79433490524648513462020-05-28T10:39:53.781-05:002020-05-28T10:39:53.781-05:00Masks are worn by sick people to keep them from sp...Masks are worn by sick people to keep them from spreading disease. Healthy people do not need masks. I am healthy and choose not to wear a mask. If I see some people wearing a mask coming at me I am going to assume they are sick people and make sure they do not come close to me.<br />People may think a mask protects them. If they decide to attack another person they will soon learn a mask does not stop a bullet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-55863970133277144492020-05-28T10:37:40.049-05:002020-05-28T10:37:40.049-05:0010:22 Nothing in life is 100%. Do you think a car ...10:22 Nothing in life is 100%. Do you think a car crash is somehow 100% survivable at 55MPH but is instantly fatal at 56MPH. Of course not, the severity depends on a lot more than just the speed.<br /><br />Same thing with surface contact with the virus. It is possible to get it from touching an infected surface, but the likelihood of contracting the disease that way is still being refined. You go with what you know from other similar diseases and then adjust based on actual experience. COVID-19 is apparently less transmissible than the average virus, but it is still a danger. I wouldn't go touching canned goods in Walmart and then wiping my eyes or nose. On the other hand, I'm not going to sanitize my mail that has been sitting in the box for six hours either.<br /><br />Same thing with airborne particles. There isn't a magical barrier at 6 feet where you are suddenly 100% protected. However, based on evidence the likelihood of infection falls off significantly at 6 feet. A violent cough or sneeze by an unmasked person could certainly cause a virally dense enough cloud at up to 25 feet to infect a person under the right conditions. Being in long-term exposure in an enclosed environment can cause infection at even longer distances as shown by the super-spreading events at churches.<br /><br />It's all about relative chance though. The recommendations are based on data known at the time that shows where the likelihood drops significantly, not where it is reduced to zero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-73280321606860390442020-05-28T10:35:57.756-05:002020-05-28T10:35:57.756-05:00No particular reason you can’t social distance at ...No particular reason you can’t social distance at the gym. As long as the gym doesn’t allow too many people in at one time, it isn’t that hard. I have been social distancing at the gym since it reopened. Not really a problem, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-36357784956522481922020-05-28T10:31:55.241-05:002020-05-28T10:31:55.241-05:00Nobody is using any PPE correctly, a quick trip th...Nobody is using any PPE correctly, a quick trip the the grocery store takes no less than three pairs of gloves and a few masks to provide the protection they THINK they are getting; further, it takes real discipline when one migrates from a "clean" zone to a "contaminated" zone. What I see (and have seen) is mask enthusiasts seeking any and every opportunity to lecture those of us who choose not wear masks. <br /><br />Last week, my wife was accosted by some twenty-something in Kroger who saw fit to lecture her on how irresponsible it was for her to be out and about with no protection. I was the next aisle over, heard the commotion and went to see what the problem was - what I saw was an angry young woman screaming at my wife (with her mask pulled down), and my wife with a look of disbelief on her face. My wife and I are both federal agents and thought we had seen everything, but this is ridiculous...we let the mask enthusiast vent, politely said thanks and walked out of the store shaking our heads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-83222161216390516642020-05-28T10:26:36.236-05:002020-05-28T10:26:36.236-05:00I guess i need to go back to wearing my 3M P100 ha...I guess i need to go back to wearing my 3M P100 halfmask respirator and goggles. Idgaf if you call me a tool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-8467680110425715592020-05-28T10:23:52.552-05:002020-05-28T10:23:52.552-05:00See that CDC has flip flopped again. Wonder how a ...See that CDC has flip flopped again. Wonder how a virus knows to stop traveling at 5'11" inches and drop to the floor? Inquiring minds want to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-4829862877209995712020-05-28T10:23:32.464-05:002020-05-28T10:23:32.464-05:00If you watch the video, Dr. Osterholm agrees with ...If you watch the video, Dr. Osterholm agrees with the CDC. Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.com