tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post502526140247774092..comments2024-03-28T08:59:57.669-05:00Comments on Jackson Jambalaya: Should Mississippi lower out of state tuition fees?Kingfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-61140558541647576302011-12-17T15:20:36.974-06:002011-12-17T15:20:36.974-06:00Wow. I'm a Texan, non-native, who grew up in ...Wow. I'm a Texan, non-native, who grew up in Illinois and have seen just about all of the US. I have a daughter who is a Senior here who really wants to attend Ole Miss to pursue a Forensics degree. I would say the biggest barrier is the extra fee imposed on non-residents. Risking some more race based comments, I will say I am caucasian and my wife is hispanic. My daughter looks white but is a national hispanic scholar who scored a 30 on her ACT and a 1960 on her SAT. She is being recruited by two other Texas colleges, much smaller than Ole Miss, but have similar Forensic programs. They're also $10000 a year more affordable. One has already given her $24000 in scholarships, making all the more difficult to encourage her to go for Ole Miss.<br /><br />Programs such as Forensics, I think the graduates go where the work is, rather than blindly return to their home states.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-22168959864481758572011-07-22T09:33:00.843-05:002011-07-22T09:33:00.843-05:00Well, we could do alot of things if we'd conso...Well, we could do alot of things if we'd consolidate and stop duplication. It works. It doesn't change the schools sports rivalry or hurt any institution. The facts one can gather from consolidation in other states is one sidely in favor.<br />What consolidation DOES do is help IHLs take advantage of economies of scale in purchasing and end duplication so they CAN lower tuition to be competitive. That doesn't mean a state can't have two law schools IF having two is needed.<br />And, the competition in the junior/community college system is outrageous with campuses within 8 miles of each other. There should , at least, be a 45 mile distance between campuses. A student in Hinds Co has a choice between three junior colleges and multiple campuses. A student in northeast Mississippi has one choice and too far to drive. And, we have tax without representative as a junior colleges board of trustees who are appointed can raise your taxes 17mils a year.<br /><br />But, school loyalty trumps fiscal responsibility even when doing it wisely wouldn't hurt the schools but would make them better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-10193690387958398932011-07-20T10:34:06.991-05:002011-07-20T10:34:06.991-05:00The real crock on all of this is that if O'Bam...The real crock on all of this is that if O'Bama and Congress pass the DREAM Act, illegal aliens can attend a state school and pay the in-state rate!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-41267881780922060932011-07-20T08:25:54.138-05:002011-07-20T08:25:54.138-05:00Rather than discuss the elusive and often boring c...Rather than discuss the elusive and often boring concept of 'brain drain', I chose to concentrate on which state is giving away the farm, attracting out of country students for the wrong reasons and simply adding to the number of liberals among us. That would be Mississippi. If, as we are told, it costs a state (tax) money to operate a land grant institution, why should we make it easier on out of staters and out of country students to gain from our largess? Have we discussed the cost of educating illegals yet? (I'll open the floor now to those who only want to sling around words like racist and bigot.)Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-65605552601182221052011-07-19T19:36:54.797-05:002011-07-19T19:36:54.797-05:00I posted the article because I wanted to generate ...I posted the article because I wanted to generate discussion about this idea. If it can stop or reverse brain drain, might be worth looking at and apparently, its working for that state.Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-65137810094138071282011-07-19T08:44:41.454-05:002011-07-19T08:44:41.454-05:00I am from Alabama and I attended MSU. MSU was clos...I am from Alabama and I attended MSU. MSU was closer to me than any university in Alabama. I grew up three miles from the Mississippi state line. <br /><br />I received a 90 percent out of state tuition waiver for my ACT score, and MSU was cheaper than the University of Alabama for me, but MSU could really attract a lot of the type of student that they like by offering in-state tuition to border counties. <br /><br />Like a previous poster commented, the Alabama schools have been doing this for a few years. And if Mississippi schools did this, some would stay - I did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-68796856076326598722011-07-18T22:14:38.282-05:002011-07-18T22:14:38.282-05:00I am in the LLM program at University of Alabama n...I am in the LLM program at University of Alabama now... its the same price for in state and out of state students. Pretty good deal! Of course, I would have gone to an in state program, but there are no LLM programs in State to go to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-7379659323615187162011-07-18T17:20:57.341-05:002011-07-18T17:20:57.341-05:00The University of Alabama is $4300 per semester fo...The University of Alabama is $4300 per semester for undergraduate in-state tuition according to www.cost.ua.edu. Don't know how that compare to MS Schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-82103175317113606382011-07-18T17:10:24.451-05:002011-07-18T17:10:24.451-05:0011:13. Alabama is freakin expensive for in state. ...11:13. Alabama is freakin expensive for in state. Look it up. Out of sight high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-11262088121177642772011-07-18T16:45:24.073-05:002011-07-18T16:45:24.073-05:00Ole Miss and State get a lot of students from Texa...Ole Miss and State get a lot of students from Texas and other states whose state universities only accept the top 10% of their high school seniors. The others have to look elsewhere. It may be a good idea in the long run to waive out-of-state tuition, but for the here and now, the schools just couldn't afford it without the state kicking in a lot more. That ain't gonna happen. Frankly, my kids go out-of-state just so they'll have a better shot of going elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-89323924499146240902011-07-18T14:53:49.079-05:002011-07-18T14:53:49.079-05:00Out-of-state students have helped Ole Miss' bo...Out-of-state students have helped Ole Miss' bottom line in light of the declining IHL appropriations. However, a very large majority of those students do return to their home states when they finish at OM. While they are enrolled, they do help support the university & the local community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-30317596876850213702011-07-18T13:35:32.557-05:002011-07-18T13:35:32.557-05:00http://www.olemiss.edu/info/quickfacts/
Closer to...http://www.olemiss.edu/info/quickfacts/<br /><br />Closer to 60% Mississippi/40% out of state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-10199877270771366262011-07-18T12:16:18.507-05:002011-07-18T12:16:18.507-05:0011:27- wrong.
http://www.olemiss.edu/info/stats_f...11:27- wrong.<br /><br />http://www.olemiss.edu/info/stats_facts.html<br /><br />Andrew NewcombAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-61507486159447166422011-07-18T11:27:50.952-05:002011-07-18T11:27:50.952-05:00Mississippi colleges already do that. Ole Miss has...Mississippi colleges already do that. Ole Miss has more out of state students than in state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-50668150383462523602011-07-18T11:19:15.617-05:002011-07-18T11:19:15.617-05:00Jose' says he likes your public schools muy mu...Jose' says he likes your public schools muy mucho.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-36721373935049948862011-07-18T11:13:57.875-05:002011-07-18T11:13:57.875-05:00The University of Alabama gives in-state tuition r...The University of Alabama gives in-state tuition rates to all residents within 50 miles of UA <a href="http://registrar.ua.edu/policies/residency/residency-tuition/" rel="nofollow">including Mississippians</a> in Lowndes County and Noxubee County. The University of Memphis waives out-of-state tuition to Mississippians in some <a href="http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/feb/11/Mississippi-Senate-measure-waives/" rel="nofollow">North Mississippi counties including DeSoto</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-43226602828925992302011-07-18T09:48:12.174-05:002011-07-18T09:48:12.174-05:00Should we reduce out of state tuition in order to ...Should we reduce out of state tuition in order to attract more out of state students? Like North Dakota? Here's the telling quote from the cited report: "The state poured money into improving academics." Think that's gonna happen in Mississppi, with its antipathy to public education? No way, Jose'.Bill Deesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-85889524875185178622011-07-18T09:36:07.790-05:002011-07-18T09:36:07.790-05:00I think out of state college students are numerous...I think out of state college students are numerous beyond the HBCU campuses, and a lot of them stay here after graduation. However, when you balance that number against the number of Mississippi kids who go elsewhere and stay there after graduation, I'm guessing it evens out some. If we want net growth in population from college graduates, as we should, we need to work just as hard on keeping our kids here as we do on recruiting others. Bill Billingsleybillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212014163842522498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-42921646461983961662011-07-18T08:59:34.777-05:002011-07-18T08:59:34.777-05:00Shadowfax, if unwillingness to remain in Mississip...Shadowfax, if unwillingness to remain in Mississippi long-term or permanently is to be a standard by which we judge students' deserving of breaks on tuition, then we ought to be cutting WAY back on what we offer the Mississippi kids who score well on the ACT and SAT.<br /><br />Actually, a lot of people might be happy if we did that very thing. Let's start requiring a minimum "live here" commitment from all students to whom we offer any kind of scholarship or tuition break. It'll be a great way to weed out all those snot-nosed "smart kids" with all their ideas of "doing things differently." Anyone who doesn't want to stay here FOR-E-VER shouldn't get a dime -- let places like Tennessee, Virginia, California, Florida, etc., benefit from those kids' smarts.<br /><br />(Obviously, this rule would not apply to anyone receiving a football scholarship, because with those kids we prefer to just use 'em up and throw 'em out, anyway.)<br /><br />Let the inbreeding begin (or, continue)!Frugal Galnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-7260910951463964752011-07-18T08:36:03.780-05:002011-07-18T08:36:03.780-05:00Is Kingfish suggesting here that Mississippi shoul...Is Kingfish suggesting here that Mississippi should do the same? Jackson State and Tougaloo already attract quite a few out of state/country students to their campuses in the Metro. They are here for several reasons, including free tuition, lower entrance requirements and the demographic recruitment requirements of Ayers. I assume many of these students make a decision to remain although I have no survey to support my assumption. <br /><br />While here, these students learn a certain historical version of the ills of Mississippi and her 'meanness' and her proclivity toward discrimination and her bad behaviors of the past and present. That's simply part 'n parcel of the education process of all 'historically black colleges and universities'. (If you've ever listened to a professor from either of these campuses for more than five minutes, you know that.)<br /><br />When I was a freshman at MSU, decades ago, there was a very large contingent of middle eastern students brought into the program through a variety of grant and outreach efforts. <br /><br />I wonder how many of these out of state/country students have settled here and what, if any, benefit Mississippi has realized.Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.com