tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post3629781679442852909..comments2024-03-28T20:49:23.403-05:00Comments on Jackson Jambalaya: Dear Republicans: Give the Democrats what they want on PERS.Kingfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-77677537631675634842013-12-20T11:00:46.547-06:002013-12-20T11:00:46.547-06:00Y'all want to honor the contract? No problem. ...Y'all want to honor the contract? No problem. <br /><br />All you state employees who were hired BEFORE 1999, well, those benefits added in that year were not part of the contract so if we revoke those benefits, no lawsuit. How do you like that interpretation of your position? Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-56788004080793777642013-01-21T16:26:40.222-06:002013-01-21T16:26:40.222-06:00It is clear to me, most don't appreciate the p...It is clear to me, most don't appreciate the <a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/01/20000-layoffs-in-spanish-banks-40-pay.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MishsGlobalEconomicTrendAnalysis+%28Mish%27s+Global+Economic+Trend+Analysis%29" rel="nofollow">parallels to this type of situation when it comes to talking about PERS.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-19756521245344597312013-01-21T13:59:19.329-06:002013-01-21T13:59:19.329-06:00If Brandon Presley grew a beard would he look more...If Brandon Presley grew a beard would he look more like Haystack Calhoun or Man Mountain Mike?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-12786214982415101552013-01-18T15:23:52.442-06:002013-01-18T15:23:52.442-06:00Bill; not only are you making baseless claims, now...Bill; not only are you making baseless claims, now you've gone to fabricating arguments. Regardless of how 'stretched' you feel, nobody has made the claim that state employees seek out or take state jobs because they know they'll get a generous retirement. What has been said and what remains a fact is that, on the whole, the thousands upon thousands of jobs falling under the PERS system are not high paying jobs and in many cases are low paying jobs. And it is also a fact that most of them realize and understand the benefits package during and following employment and have faith in what they've been promised verbally and in writing. It's something to look forward to. Ask any 20-30-40 year employee. <br /><br />Your claim of 'paid time off making up for low wages' runs counter to your silly comment about the rent not being able to wait for retirement. Who in their right mind would take a low paying job simply because they anticipate getting a paid day off?Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-47932853264504092362013-01-18T12:11:31.493-06:002013-01-18T12:11:31.493-06:00State employees haven't had an across the boar...State employees haven't had an across the board pay raise (from the Legislature) in 7 or 8 years...not 5. Looks like it's going to be 8 or 9.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-85465465624197457442013-01-18T12:10:22.841-06:002013-01-18T12:10:22.841-06:00State employees haven't had an across the boar...State employees haven't had an across the board pay raise (from the Legislature) in 7 or 8 years...not 5. Looks like it's going to be 8 or 9.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-86998162188277926812013-01-18T11:29:36.498-06:002013-01-18T11:29:36.498-06:00I think the general rule is that the lower the sal...I think the general rule is that the lower the salary the more likely that the state employee is doing better than a private employee in the same or a similar job. My point is that it's a stretch to say that state employees resign themselves to lower pay just because they know they'll get a generous retirement. Rent and utilities can't wait 25 years, and the non-retirement benefits and paid time off make up for any difference in salary. Again, there are a lot more people seeking state jobs than there are fleeing them.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212014163842522498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-25084423816081007862013-01-17T16:44:18.563-06:002013-01-17T16:44:18.563-06:00Kangaroo: I provided the link to a retiree handboo...Kangaroo: I provided the link to a retiree handbook earlier. The PERS website is a massive site. Go look it up yourself. There's also a handbook for participants other than retirees. There is no option for withdrawing all the money you have in the system short of resignation or death. <br /><br />Bill: What can I say. Get the data from the State Personnel Board. It's not unusual for office managers in the private sector to make 60k or for receptionists and over rated executive assistants to make over 50. Sure, you and I can always cherry pick a job here or there where the state incumbent appears to be in a higher range than a private sector incumbent. I think you know that's not the norm though. Go down to the Board and ask to review some of the comparative data used to maintain the wage and salary tables. <br /><br />Meanwhile, something's gotta be did about these two-headed dregs of society we call state employees.Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-73974011189547232702013-01-17T16:09:36.531-06:002013-01-17T16:09:36.531-06:00Shadowfax, I challenge your contention that the sa...Shadowfax, I challenge your contention that the salaries of state workers are lower than those in comparable jobs on the private side. Of course there are some, but I think there are plenty who make more - certainly not less - than their private counterparts. Teachers in public schools generally make more than teachers in private schools. Nurses at University make as much or more than nurses at Baptist. Custodians and lower level employees probably make more working for the state. Office staff and lower level management also make as much or more in the public sector. The private side higher level employees make more because they've usually earned it by adding value to the company, something that is not recognized in government. I've made this argument before - compare the number of people on the private side who are trying to get a government job to the number of people in government who are trying to get a private job and that will tell you which one is more desirable. billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212014163842522498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-8477069129477069332013-01-17T13:22:17.634-06:002013-01-17T13:22:17.634-06:00Isn't it a contract? Contracts have many claus...Isn't it a contract? Contracts have many clauses, I assume there is an accelerated payout associated with health situations? Or, perhaps lump sum payments that could be legislated as an addendum?<br /><br />You continue to think inside that little box SFX.KaptKangaroohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04205368935149517936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-33799561841461887382013-01-17T12:18:39.952-06:002013-01-17T12:18:39.952-06:00And to Kangaroot's suggestion that there could...And to Kangaroot's suggestion that there could be a 'run on the fund', it would be helpful (to himself) if he would read or ask questions about membership. A current employee has no right or authority to 'make a run' on the bank and withdraw his money. Nor does a retiree. Nothing either of you (Kingfish and KingfishRoo) has said yet about this subject withstands the weight of scrutiny. Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-74232600488993444272013-01-17T12:10:06.905-06:002013-01-17T12:10:06.905-06:00I replied to Kingfish's idiotic 'WTF is a ...I replied to Kingfish's idiotic 'WTF is a payraise' commentary but it didn't make the cut here. No surprise. Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-64378980457838375772013-01-17T12:08:11.172-06:002013-01-17T12:08:11.172-06:00If your goal is to attack me personally and minimi...If your goal is to attack me personally and minimize all of my posts, congratulations, you're doing a swell job. Clearly, in my opinion, you insinuated you hoped the case would wind up there so it would be dealt with in the manner you prefer. It's OK if you can't admit it. Really, it is. By the way, I'll put my comprehension skills up against your grammatical and sentence composition skills any day. Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-13414969242466062212013-01-17T09:39:05.512-06:002013-01-17T09:39:05.512-06:00Shadow: I never said it would wind up in Weill'...Shadow: I never said it would wind up in Weill's court. I said it would be in Hinds County Circuit Court and he probably had a 25% chance of getting the case. No surprise as you've repeatedly demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension skills over the years. Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-68022548469312855162013-01-17T07:09:43.795-06:002013-01-17T07:09:43.795-06:00It's disingenuous to suggest that private sect...It's disingenuous to suggest that private sector employees receive raises on par with or consistent-in-time with public sector employees. Anybody who knows people in both situations knows that's not true. Anybody who has worked in both knows that is not true. Kangaroo's assertion that a pay raise means working several jobs is also untrue. <br /><br />Typically private sector employers run wage, benefit and salary surveys annually or have those surveys passed to them by a company that DOES. And increases are considered and granted typically annually, but at least every other year. Sure, there are a few employers around who don't raise wages regularly, but they're the exception. <br /><br />I have no idea when state employees last got across the board raises. But, it's not at all inconsistent with history to learn it's been five years. The State Personnel Board many years ago came up with a table of increments and wage ranges grouped by job categories. It's never, ever been utilized on an annual basis. <br /><br />Wages for those jobs covered by that system are lower in every category than private sector jobs. Of course the answer from the mumblers is always going to be, "Well, hell, quit and go somewhere else." It's my belief that many career employees in those jobs have been counting on future benefits upon retirement to help make a difference in the wage discrepancy while working. <br /><br />Now the sentiment is too often, "Let the system crash, screw state employees, let them suffer a little more, they should have invested that extra five bucks each months and we need them to maintain our elitist notion of an under-class". <br /><br />Meanwhile, Kingfish concludes by suggesting the system be left along, that nothing be changed and axed "What's the problem?" Not long ago he sent out appeals for readers to send him money to keep his blog afloat, so he could by a new camera and computer and 'stuff'. Maybe the answer to him should have been the same as he's given now and in the past..."Big deal, make do with what you have, tough it out, you've wasted too much already, try cutting back, revise your wants and expenditures, take a second job."Shadowfaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-88300800965235188722013-01-16T22:42:30.295-06:002013-01-16T22:42:30.295-06:00Why cuts?
Take a look at the growth of government...Why cuts?<br /><br />Take a look at the growth of government spending, both federal and state over the past 50 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-31201085105266751602013-01-16T21:49:39.794-06:002013-01-16T21:49:39.794-06:00What are you griping about, Clinton? I merely agre...What are you griping about, Clinton? I merely agree with you and said give the Dems and retirees what they want. Don't touch anything. Don't tweak, don't adjust, don't do anything. Leave it all be. What's the problem? Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-46253678470121195922013-01-16T21:34:55.014-06:002013-01-16T21:34:55.014-06:00clintonrebel
it has become a situation where comm...clintonrebel<br /><br />it has become a situation where common sense have left the building on all sides, including your own.KaptKangaroohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04205368935149517936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-83022839092163353802013-01-16T21:17:59.384-06:002013-01-16T21:17:59.384-06:00Why is it always cuts? Why cant this state raise r...Why is it always cuts? Why cant this state raise revenue?!<br /><br />Get Phil out of the Gynecologist office and put him to work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-11396054997010128682013-01-16T20:54:55.782-06:002013-01-16T20:54:55.782-06:00Balance the budget by walking away from all debts....Balance the budget by walking away from all debts. It's easy! Just like all the underwater home owners. We'll be rich!..... Until we have to borrow money again, like Spain. <br /><br />Mississippi, you cut the deal. It is simple, do you honor your obligations or not?clintonrebelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-83698971971328928222013-01-16T19:43:20.812-06:002013-01-16T19:43:20.812-06:00WTF is a pay raise. Last I heard, it was called, g...WTF is a pay raise. Last I heard, it was called, get a job or two or three or.... You get the picture.KaptKangaroohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04205368935149517936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-40342828022127137182013-01-16T18:39:51.978-06:002013-01-16T18:39:51.978-06:00Most state employees have not had any raise in the...<i>Most state employees have not had any raise in the last 5 years.</i><br /><br />That is not the fault of anyone. <br /><br />Many people in the private sector go years without a pay raise. Please show where it is written into law or stone that pay raises are a mandatory condition of employment.<br /><br />If you don't like the pay find another job.<br /><br />State employees are their own worst enemies.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-90939416385050081852013-01-16T18:35:21.584-06:002013-01-16T18:35:21.584-06:00lets not pay any bond holders either. we can'...lets not pay any bond holders either. we can't afford those debts if we continue with the spineless leadership from the legislature. and lets not pay any vendors we owe either. all those contractors and their employees out there building roads? lets just not pay their next bill. We don't have the money!!! Isnt that the same excuse for not honoring retirement commitments?clintonrebelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-55111521387430915122013-01-16T18:18:58.822-06:002013-01-16T18:18:58.822-06:00I’m still waiting for Kingfish to elaborate on the...I’m still waiting for Kingfish to elaborate on the difference between MPACT’s and PERS’s contract with the state. In a previous comment Kingfish stated that, "You’re fine. They have to honor contracts already signed.” This was a response to a poster worried about his 2 MPACT contracts with the state. If the contracts with MPACT participants “have” to be honored then shouldn’t contracts with PERS have to be honored also? I’m no donkeycrat and don’t want PERS to go down the tubes but if contracts are going to be broken then seems to me MPACT contracts have to be on the table also. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-43403017147001972782013-01-16T18:17:57.716-06:002013-01-16T18:17:57.716-06:00Having worked for the state 30 years I think I kno...Having worked for the state 30 years I think I know alittle bit about PERS. One thing to rmember PERS is backed by the full"faith and credit" of the state. It can't go bust unless the state does. Most state employees have not had any raise in the last 5 years. If you work for 25 to 30 years and then go home I think you deserve what has been promised you-13th check and all. I do agree with SF one one thing KF does not seem to like state employees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com