tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post2890971267725949808..comments2024-03-28T23:48:08.527-05:00Comments on Jackson Jambalaya: JXN Water Customers Sue to Stop Water Cut-offsKingfishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-1037687176536813712019-06-21T21:30:45.323-05:002019-06-21T21:30:45.323-05:00When it comes to water, "a pint is a pound al...When it comes to water, "a pint is a pound all the world around," "a US gallon is 231 cubic inches," and "a cf is 7.48 gals across the globe" OK, so that last one isn't as well-known, but it is true. Anyway, it really doesn't matter in which unit it is measured as it is readily and accurately converted between units of measure. Well, except in Jackson, where it apparently cannot be accurately metered in ANY unit of measure.<br /><br />I don't know why water companies measure in cf, but in aircraft, fuel is measured in pounds to avoid confusion between imperial and US gallons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-34942271386002066442019-06-21T13:05:05.040-05:002019-06-21T13:05:05.040-05:00@7:41 good question. Most water utilities use gal...@7:41 good question. Most water utilities use gallons for measurement. A few do use cubic feet. Canton Municipal is an example of one that uses cubic feet. I think some, such as CMU, maybe use cubic feet because they sell gas in that measurement, so they are familiar with it. CMU is a gas provider also. So maybe it is familiarity. But gallons just makes so much sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-56480573242907119402019-06-21T07:41:04.018-05:002019-06-21T07:41:04.018-05:00Why do we have water meters that are measured by c...Why do we have water meters that are measured by cubic foot instead of per gallon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-75843632853906956172019-06-19T18:15:53.268-05:002019-06-19T18:15:53.268-05:002:26 imagine owning commercial buildings. Multiply...2:26 imagine owning commercial buildings. Multiply your number by 100. Serious question for any lawyers here: if inaccurate water billing and ruined the sale of a property (large transaction worth millions) do I have a claim against water Dept for my economic loss?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-38263774365418696552019-06-19T18:13:16.817-05:002019-06-19T18:13:16.817-05:002:27 makes a great point. you can bet you last dol...2:27 makes a great point. you can bet you last doller the ms bar is asleep at the switch yet again. the only thing they are worried about is where they are going to go for lunch. defense counsel for the city ought to file a motion to recuse both these clowns off the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-88993981104409980752019-06-19T17:42:58.710-05:002019-06-19T17:42:58.710-05:00Jackson is LOST.Jackson is LOST.Brylcreem Commandonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-71018874285908730082019-06-19T17:04:11.493-05:002019-06-19T17:04:11.493-05:00Which former Mayor had connections to Detroit? I ...Which former Mayor had connections to Detroit? I don't really think BabyChok fully understands what is going to come out of that can of worms he's opening. My bet is that he either files this lawsuit and takes some sort of action or DPW Miller walks.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-2669708952784077302019-06-19T16:34:23.352-05:002019-06-19T16:34:23.352-05:00POST at 2:26 says it all! If you skipped over that...POST at 2:26 says it all! If you skipped over that post, go back and read it. If you read it already, read it again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-45510161210653767332019-06-19T15:06:35.826-05:002019-06-19T15:06:35.826-05:00Think about the poor bond holders who bought Jacks...<i>Think about the poor bond holders who bought Jackson bonds.</i><br /><br />They knew the risks and if they didn't then they've got all the downside coming to them for not doing their own due diligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-88103345945464856952019-06-19T14:35:16.863-05:002019-06-19T14:35:16.863-05:00Think about the poor bond holders who bought Jacks...Think about the poor bond holders who bought Jackson bonds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-67018029931194191422019-06-19T14:27:07.145-05:002019-06-19T14:27:07.145-05:00Peter was legal counsel for the city at the time t...Peter was legal counsel for the city at the time the Siemens deal was done and his partner Simon was paid as bond counsel to finance the project. Now they are getting paid to sue the city on claims relating to the terms of a contract they were paid by the the city to negotiate. No conflicts of interest at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-84605869937568605442019-06-19T14:26:14.138-05:002019-06-19T14:26:14.138-05:00As a Former resident of Jackson and this water shi...As a Former resident of Jackson and this water shit show... We began having spuratic water bills around 2016.. months would go by, we would get a big one, like $350 or so..this happened a couple of times.. Then we move, call the city, they send us the final bill. $4,600... Are you effing kidding me, "mo ma'am." Says you have not paid for water since 2009 or so. So I..go to my bank and have them pulled a record of all payments made. Call to get an appointment, cannot do that on the phone, have to show up. I go to the water dept and am told they are not in, and no one knows when they will be in... This happens over about 3 months...several hours out of work to go to the bank to go back to the water dept and you know what... no one cares... I am so GD over this nonsense... the people working there are just as "grossly incompetent" as the effing Siemens contractors Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-24386637445798098192019-06-19T11:29:38.850-05:002019-06-19T11:29:38.850-05:00This has been a 4 year long saga with me. We had 3...This has been a 4 year long saga with me. We had 3 gaps in billing, one as long as 9 months. I continued to pay $200/month even when I did not receive a bill. When I called the Water Dept, their standard answer is that you must have a leak. I got that checked...no leak. The balance on the bill got as high as $6,900. I called again when we got a disconnect notice. If you call and setup a hearing with the Water/Sewer board they will not disconnect you. I never received an answer about my hearing but on 5/11/19, I received a new bill where they knocked off $5,900 from my bill. No idea where they came up with that amount.<br /><br />My recommendation from this fiasco is to keep paying your bill and KEEP GOOD RECORDS OF YOUR PAYMENTS! I used my BillPay feature with my bank because it keeps track of when I sent the payment, when they received it and when it clears the bank. On average, it takes them 2-3 weeks to deposit your check after they receive it which is really ridiculous since they are using a bank lockbox. I have a feeling that there has been a massive problem with payments being applied correctly to customers' accounts. They need to shut down all of the payment receiving locations across the city. They do not have adequate controls over that process. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-20419187533897143842019-06-19T11:11:37.644-05:002019-06-19T11:11:37.644-05:00@6:26 I don't disagree. I had to make some as...@6:26 I don't disagree. I had to make some assumptions. I just assumed $14,000 for water on a $34,000 bill. If it is $7000 instead, then the number of hours a meter must run to provide that volume of water would be cut in half. I also assumed the water rate as $3.00 without looking it up. I had to make some assumptions to do some math without looking at the specifics of their bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-8002306497796404452019-06-19T09:21:12.683-05:002019-06-19T09:21:12.683-05:00KF, that's not what it says. Customer has a h...KF, that's not what it says. Customer has a hugh bill. We can assume it is inaccurate, but we don't know. Bit assuming, city policy is customer has to pay current bills while questioning previous 'hugh' bill. <br /><br />I've done this myself - for me and for a friend. Follow the policy, pay the part that is correct, or at least what you think it should be. Continue paying monthly while questioning the incorrect bill. But, don't pay anything while you continue to use water (and therefore sewer) and continue to have your garbage picked up and ----- guess wnhat? Your water will be cut off. As it should be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-27440406273753707492019-06-19T09:03:41.565-05:002019-06-19T09:03:41.565-05:00In five or ten years it will be water under the br...In five or ten years it will be water under the bridge, but only because the state took over the city. Tator Tot Reeves knows how to fix things, including building new streets. Cynical Samhttp://www.jacktown.is.fucked.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-32024659785463804492019-06-19T08:53:34.739-05:002019-06-19T08:53:34.739-05:00Read it again. Customer gets slapped with a huge,...Read it again. Customer gets slapped with a huge, inaccurate bill. City says it will cut off water if not paid. They simply want Jackson to get it's stuff right so they can pay their actual water bills, not the screwed up ones. Kingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06184990110961727404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-43379861021570103842019-06-19T08:50:04.623-05:002019-06-19T08:50:04.623-05:00Everyone should quit paying water/sewer bills till...Everyone should quit paying water/sewer bills till this gets worked out. Go ahead and declare bankruptcy and let’s speed this derailment up. No sense in delaying the inevitable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-25779257183876608192019-06-19T08:14:52.194-05:002019-06-19T08:14:52.194-05:00Isn't this just a natural consequence when any...Isn't this just a natural consequence when any governmental entity admits fiscal wrongdoing. That's what the City of Jackson has done. So if their admission is true, there are bound to be victims. Do those individual victims have legal rights? Hell, there ought to be a taxpayer lawsuit too! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-17834529236176368112019-06-19T07:42:45.504-05:002019-06-19T07:42:45.504-05:00What a mess. You can’t turn water into watermelon....What a mess. You can’t turn water into watermelon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-80962190174724778152019-06-19T07:35:37.934-05:002019-06-19T07:35:37.934-05:00Sounds entirely reasonable to me that the court sh...Sounds entirely reasonable to me that the court should put a halt on all negative actions by the city, at least while this is in court. And, even AFTER the lawsuit is settled, an arbitration panel should rule on these bills. <br /><br />Pieter Teeuwissen sounds like a familiar name. I guess Dale Danks wasn't available since Mayor Mary has him all tied up in Madison matters. Fair is Fair..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-34232859825328394312019-06-19T07:34:59.595-05:002019-06-19T07:34:59.595-05:00It was never about "saving money," but i...It was never about "saving money," but it was always about enriching friends of the prior mayor and some council members. That enrichment no doubt made its way back to city hall.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-60150627866691789732019-06-19T07:23:39.833-05:002019-06-19T07:23:39.833-05:00Free medical care, free school, free food, free ho...Free medical care, free school, free food, free housing, free transportation, free money...why not free water too? There are a lot of people that are conditioned to "free" everything so when faced with actually having to pay for something, like water, it sends them scurrying to court in disbelief. This situation will not end well, particularly for those left in Jackson that actually pay taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-65381448340487607282019-06-19T06:26:14.507-05:002019-06-19T06:26:14.507-05:00746 pm - your math misses a little. 1) sewer runs...746 pm - your math misses a little. 1) sewer runs more than twice the water, but morose 2) the bills include a monthly garbage collection fee of $20 to $25, no matter what the water useage.<br /><br />Granted it depends on how long the bill went unpaid, and possibly a leak that went on for months wit out repairing. One running toilet can take a minimum water bill to a couple hundred dollars a month, and that's the most minor of 'leaks'.<br /><br />May still be an ncorrect bill, but the city'a policy covers that if the customer is paying current every month whole the supposed error is disputed. But Councilman Kennuf on his radio show is telling his folks to 'don't pay, but appeal' - which isn't following the Council's own decisions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2447438783001404385.post-86927570329907252242019-06-18T22:22:34.444-05:002019-06-18T22:22:34.444-05:00Its just amazing how people never learn...several ...Its just amazing how people never learn...several other surrounding communities have just enetered into similar meter replacement schemes and touted them as not costing anything. That's the marketing...it will clear up billing so that you get higher revenues and you don't have to pay people to read meters. The reality is that you have now added an IT infrastructure to read the meters that must be maintained, a sensor system that must be maintained, a communications system that must be maintained and the maintenance of those systems is a lot more expensive per hour than Jim-bob driving around and reading some numbers...and of course, we're not firing Jim-bob, no, he has to be retrained to check on error readings and to shut off the water when you want to work on your house because they all have anti-tampering systems that require them to be centrally controlled...oh and when you go to replace them they are $250 apiece instead of $20. And the free part...well, me-maw has been paying $30 a month for the past 15 years because of a bad reading on the meter (or just not being read)and then gets a new meter...the new meter reads correctly and bounces against the historic data and low and behold me-maw has about 10k in arrears on her water...and as soon as she coughs that up VOILA! there is your "free" system. Pappy Odanielnoreply@blogger.com